Curse

Cordub · May 13, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

If that is what he did mean he should state that because it will confuse some people. Yes the Necro main is a good Idea unless you want to be a High energy user like Elementalist then necro as sec. If you want warrior better go necro main, or you will regret it in the arena

molovian · May 14, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

I picked a Necro/Mesmer as I like the variety, of each time I play, being able to change my skills based on my playstyle for the days mood and that combo seemed to have the best potential for for that variety and playstyle options.

I didn't see the value of fast casting but did see the value of energy regen and I liked the many spells that last for a while so I can sit back and oversee the combat and alter my casting based on what the team does atm as opposed to spaming spells. I also liked the look of the toon and I loved the scar pattern armour look better than mesmer; Of course it may also be that I am part demon and fancy the underground way too much ;-)

Deku · May 14, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Ok I may have repleyed in this thread before not sure I will look in a min. But I do know I have answered the question tons of time. Armor dont mean dick in the choice of N or W mains. See most Curses , Blood Magic , Deaht magic(damage spells) Ignore armor so any thing you fight has not armor pretty much. If you use Swords or Axes you can also cause a deep wound - 20% base life. So the reason to go Necro main is to get the energy boost cause if you think about it you have more armor then anything you fight because your spells ignore it. Thanks I will be here all day.

This doesn't make any sense. You seem to be saying that armour choice isnt important for a N/W because the skills you have bypass armour. You arent going to be trying to kill yourself though, so your armour in relation to your skills is irrelavent, its the armour of the people you are fighting that wont matter so much. For the N/W he is still going be fighting pure melee chars and elementalists so armour is very important for him.

FroggyP · May 14, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

As said before it's mainly the energy difference. Also it depends on how you like to play. A person who goes to very front should definately pick primary warrior, but necrowarriors can cast curses or draining spells then go into battle. The armor isn't as strong for necro, but the self regeneration spells lessen the damage. In a one on one it is more probable the warrior would win, but common, Guild Wars is a team game.

PieXags · May 14, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I just went and created a necro primary with mesmer as secondary simply because I wanted the soul reaping + inspiration magic to cover any and all energy problems I might have, thus allowing me to spam the shit out of death magic to my hearts content. To be teleporting around, controlling an army of dead peoples, and stealing energy whenever you need it you can do a fair bit of work for your team.

Also, what I intend to do with this character is mainly big explosions.

Since the necro's soul reaping ability will give me energy whenever a death goes by (about 9 energy actually), and with inspiration magic to pull even more energy in, it won't be difficult to pull some minions when you need to, and then it's just a matter of casting death nova on one of your minions, then using taste of death (or whatever that spell is that pulls a few hundred health from your minion) thus killing it, and BAM, kamikaze dead guy.

I just think it'll be fun more than anything.

Spura · May 14, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

There is exacly 1 good pvp build that requires necro primary and that is curses nuker. All other builds are either poor in pvp or they are better with other primary.

Silvanus · May 14, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

My main char is a N/W and I don't use death magic. My skills are into blood, curses and hammer. I dont do a good deal of damage with my hammer because I dont have strength, but I make up for it in vampirism skills that drain your enemy and give you his life. Also, things like weaken armor can help take away the warriors armor advantage pretty quick. In PVE skills like Mark of Pain can really be useful when you run into a huge grp of mobs. However, Ide never claim to be a main tank or caster, but I can really help my team as a secondary of both.

But like any build out there, its only as good as the player behind it.

EDIT- Oh, and I wanted Neco as my primary because my build needs more energy and energy regen then a warrior primary can give me.

Later,
Silvanus

If there's a typo in my posts, I don't care, or I would have gone back and fixed it, so I don't want to hear about them!

-shcoolin wurked fer me!-

ViewtifulRon · May 14, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

I have a lvl 14 N/W(as of 5/14/05, named Sepher the Broken, shout me a holler yo) and most of my points are in Blood and death magic, and swordmanship on W side.

Not all death magic spells are summons or need bodies. I uses siphons and rotting flesh on guys and then run it with the chopsockey, using blood magic to substain me until a body falls then its raise or explosion time, depending on situation.

My PvP career isnt so bad and my PvE is incredible until i get jumped by warrior/monks(the boring bastards) in the arenas.

Plus my guy looks a little like me and the armor is sweet looking.

Oh and i know about the run-on sentences....this isnt grammar class so dont waste your time.

Ancient · May 16, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

I stand corrected.

Last night I met and teamed with an awsome L20 W/N at The Copperhammer Mines. He helped several of us make the trek to The Granite Citadel after we had failed the trip several times. His build relies on Strength, Hammer Mastery, and Blood Magic. He uses several warrior elites along with two necro elites to do some of the best tanking I've seen. He emailed some info about his build to me to try to get me to roll one up after I got done bugging him, but he's got *alot* of time into getting the 6 elites that make it possible. His weapon, as he admitted, took more time to find/build than getting the elites. I imagine early on you would be mostly warrior with a drain or two as heals until you can start farming bosses for the elites and find the right weapon. Might be worth a shot though...

Here are the skills he uses:

Warrior Skills

Warrior's Endurance (Elite)
Defy Pain (Elite)
Battle Rage (Elite)
Devastating Hammer (Elite)
Heavy Blow

Nercomancer Skills

Life Transfer (Elite)
Offering of Blood (Elite)
Vampiric Touch

Here are his base (and modified) attribute assignments:

Strength: 10 (13 with a sup. rune, sup. rune of vigor to counter the -hp)
Hammer: 10 (12 with a min. rune and HM +1 grip)
Blood magic:11

Final Weapon:

Furious Giant Slayer's Hammer of Hammer Mastery (Gold)
Blunt Damage: 19-35(req. 12 Hammer Mastery)
Double adrenaline on hit(10% chance while attacking)
+1 Hammer Mastery
+20% Damage(While health is above 50%)

If you look up what the skills do you can see more or less how the build works. It allows him access to alot of energy to fuel Life Transfer and Vampiric Touch through Warrior's Endurance and Offering of Blood. Defy Pain makes up for the -25 HP he has from using the superior Strength rune and the 10% blood cost to use Offering of Blood and it gives extra AL. I've seen some really tankish builds using Tactics, but he seems to do better at least in PvE because he is stealing alot of life rather than just preventing incoming damage. He stays alive *and* is killing while he does it. NTM, a Tactics specialist is still vulnerable to drains, and long periods of weakness and knockback are bad no matter what your class is. That said, I think this build is also pretty darn viable for PvP if coupled with the right supporting teammates. This particular player isn't interested in PvP, so he just said "no, no xp or drops for PvP" when I asked his PvP success rate.

Because Battle Rage dumps all your adrenaline when it ends, he goes into two cycles, first attacking all out with just Life Transfer's +6 HP pips, and then he takes about 15 seconds to cast Warrior's Endurance, Offering of Blood, Vampiric Touch, Life Transfer again, and finally Defy Pain before using Battle Rage and continuing another attack cycle with Devastating Hammer followed by Heavy Blow. I think he gets three sets of his attack combo off before BR ends with quite a few regular attacks in between. I also noticed he changes targets to make sure most of the monsters are on their backs suffering from weakness, rather than killing them off one at a time. This way, at least three mobs are not dealing damage while he does his draining routine. For the three rangers and two elementalists backing him up, it was easy pickins to clean up once he went in and started doing his thing. No wonder he kept saying "No monks please. We don't need one.".

Gonna try a W/N myself to see how bumpy the road is, but his results in the end seem to far outweigh the energy drawbacks early on.

Loralaiy · May 16, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

He uses 6 elites in one build? Amazing.

fooznarf06 · May 16, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

If you balance out your blood magic, death magic, and curses stats you can create a very powerful character, even before you take on a second profession. Blood magic skills like blood turn a corpse into a regeneration tank to help your entire party. Warrior as a second profession is a good choice, however. just remember to keep all your stats even. I'm kicking myself because I only focused on blood magic and death magic early on and I didn't pay attention to curses. Curses are your friend, keep this in mind.

Ancient · May 16, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Loralaiy

He uses 6 elites in one build? Amazing.

Is that not possible? Sorry, I only have two to test it with.

Sam Katha · May 16, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Last I checked unless things have drastically changed you can only use one elite in a build.

grimmolly · May 16, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Alcoy The Defiled

Energy Storage is far better for a blood mage because runes are not important for that build because you can get +2 skill from a skill.

You mean it doesn't help to stack awaken the blood with runes?

kuroyume · May 16, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Ancient

.......Here are the skills he uses:

Warrior Skills

Warrior's Endurance (Elite)
Defy Pain (Elite)
Battle Rage (Elite)
Devastating Hammer (Elite)
Heavy Blow

Nercomancer Skills

Life Transfer (Elite)
Offering of Blood (Elite)
Vampiric Touch
........................

BS ALERT!!!!! 6 Elite in 1 character?? Either he's got a major hack/cheat or you are lying.

BTW, my character can fly and use lazer gun.

Loralaiy · May 17, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Ancient

Is that not possible? Sorry, I only have two to test it with.

That's a negative, it isn't possible. You may only have one elite on your skillbar at any time.

Witchfinder General · May 17, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by kuroyume

BS ALERT!!!!! 6 Elite in 1 character?? Either he's got a major hack/cheat or you are lying.

BTW, my character can fly and use lazer gun.

<Pinky to mouth>... ooooh my fricking shark has finally arrived.

mostro · May 17, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The only time you can have multiple elites on your skill bar is after you capture them using SoC. My record was 4 elites at the same time (1 actual elite when you start the mission and 3 SoCs).

*Added* Of course you can only do this in one sitting. The skill slots where the newly captured elites reside will be blanked out by the next mission.

Akopian · May 17, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

In RvR, it does wonders to be a fully specced healing/protection monk but look like a stupid old necro.

You aren't the first target, you heal heal heal, and your enemies don't know what is going on.

Im Bogus · May 17, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Stop being so pesky everyone... for me the answer is simple:

Ur a necro primary cause its ur favorit. if u like the warrior be a warrior and focus to a good build based arround the warrior skills. Thats whats good about GW everything is well balanced.

For those who were searching for a good reason other than the looks (I LOVE IT

) theres no best build... and if there is, theres no way u can be good at it if u dont like it.

I personaly im having a really bad time choosing witch ill use (comes on sturday). So far im up to a warmonk tho i hate to see everyone using the same build as me, but i love to go into battle and not depend on healers.

Thats me.... how are u? what do u like? go for it...